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Tombguard321 · Oct 12, 2010, 08:19 PM // 20:19

I have reached a desireable Zaishen rank from RA and Alliance battles, keep in mind alot of the Zaishen title was gained during the infamous RR day but it is a wealth within the pvp community to gain some extra cash for doing something they love rather then pveing it.

And for the record I never once done RR for Heroes Battles and did not want to take place in it either. Oh do you really want more people who pve entirely to start HA'ing or doing RA for getting their rank up?

Not signed for those reasons.

*lemming* · Oct 12, 2010, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by Tombguard321

Oh do you really want more people who pve entirely to start HA'ing or doing RA for getting their rank up? .

Do you really want more people who only pvp to have to actually do quests to get their pve monuments?

Stop being lazy.

Milennin · Oct 12, 2010, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by lemming

Do you really want more people who only pvp to have to actually do quests to get their pve monuments?

Stop being lazy.

Or those PvP'ers could sell their Zaishen Keys and buy runner services.

jazilla · Oct 12, 2010, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by Necro Quink

Maybe you want to think things through instead of writing a post and start whining about it! Zaishen has been introduced into PvP and zkey's can only be bought/obtained with balthazar factions/reward points (monthly predictions) which you can only get by doing PvP!

Zaishen keys are bought all the time for 5k each...i would agree with you if they were untrade-able. Then if you earned them in PvP only you would have a great point. That isnt the case though.

To all the people that think i am QQ'ing about my suggestion...I find it laughable. I am saying that the PvP reward for the HoM should be EARNED not bought. How can it be QQ if I am saying that the lazy way should be nerfed as a reward lol?

If the z-title wasn't considered a PvP title and I was suggesting it should be, I could see saying that I was being lazy or w/e with it. I am suggesting the opposite though. And it isn't QQ lol. I am 48/50 so w/e...use your pve money to "earn" your pvp title.

dwchang · Oct 12, 2010, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by lemming

Do you really want more people who only pvp to have to actually do quests to get their pve monuments?

Stop being lazy.

Agreed.

I do find it humorous that a small minority of PvE'ers are complaining that 3 out of 50 points (6%) are PvP-related so they can't as easily max out their HoM while technically 47 out of 50 points (94%) are PvE-related. You don't see PvP'ers whining that they can't fill their HoM due to their lack of PvE so frankly PvE'ers shouldn't be doing the same thing. If anything, the system HEAVILY favors PvE'ers, but that has been the case since ~2006 or 2007 so that's fine.

In short, PvE and PvP-only players made a choice to exclusively participate in one of the two game types and A.net shouldn't have to babysit or reward players who choose to exclusively participate in only one game environment. Nor should a player be forced to participate in something they don't like.

...and to stay on topic, I agree with the OP or the idea later advocating making Z-keys not tradable (although I prefer the former).

chris12xu · Oct 13, 2010, 01:06 AM // 01:06

zkeys are obtained by doing pvp making the zaishen title a pvp title if people choose to sell their title then thats their own choice. anyway you look at it as long as z-keys are a pvp reward the title will and should be a pvp title. deal with it.

Essence Snow · Oct 13, 2010, 01:44 AM // 01:44

No thanks ....I don't want to pay for a different pvp title...which I would do over actually playing pvp

Lanier · Oct 13, 2010, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by dwchang

I do find it humorous that a small minority of PvE'ers are complaining that 3 out of 50 points (6%) are PvP-related so they can't as easily max out their HoM while technically 47 out of 50 points (94%) are PvE-related. You don't see PvP'ers whining that they can't fill their HoM due to their lack of PvE so frankly PvE'ers shouldn't be doing the same thing. If anything, the system HEAVILY favors PvE'ers, but that has been the case since ~2006 or 2007 so that's fine.

In short, PvE and PvP-only players made a choice to exclusively participate in one of the two game types and A.net shouldn't have to babysit or reward players who choose to exclusively participate in only one game environment. Nor should a player be forced to participate in something they don't like.

uh, PvEers arnt whining... I don't know where you came up with that. Why would we be whining if the option is available to us. On the contrary, it appears as though the only ones whining are those who want the current state of a "PvP title" to be changed.

The thing is, you can't really compare PvEers not having access to the pvp monument rewards to PvPers not having access to the PvE monument rewards. The reason for this is because it is easy for a PvPer to go into PvE and get the achievements. PvE is a fairly welcoming place, and npcs are never discrimnatory or anything like that. If a PvPer wanted to go after PvE monuments, they could do so pretty easily. The opposite is not true. A PvEer can't just waltz into PvP and get the achievement. PvP is so full of rank discrimination and elitism that it is pretty much impossible for the PvEer to get the titles. Plus, PvP is the place where you are expected to run meta builds (or get flamed for it). In short, PvE is a far, far more accepting place than PvP, and it is far easier for a PvPer to do enough PvE for monument rewards than it is for a PvEer to do enough PvP for monument rewards.

That said, I don't really care about any of this since I don't plan to go for 50. Im just stating this to hopefully stop the whining of the PvPers who think that a PvEer can simply walk into the battle isles and work towards one of the titles.

Shayne Hawke · Oct 13, 2010, 03:28 AM // 03:28

God forbid you take up arms against another player in order to get a title or achievement based around taking up arms against another player.

Zaishen doesn't deserve to be known as a PvP title.

By the way, Tolkano isn't the only person who gives out Zaishen Keys.

End · Oct 13, 2010, 04:18 AM // 04:18

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Originally Posted by X Ghoul

the option and saying almost every title is buyable is a bunch of bs there is only like 9 (including zaishen) out of a possible 30 something, so 30% vs 70% is not alot to even merit it an argument

While I whole heartedly agree that Zaishen shouldn't count as PvP. I have to point out how wrong this is.
Here on guru. I can find people willing to run:
Leg vanquisher (4 titles)
Leg Guardian (7 titles)
Speedbookers (4 titles)
A majority of master of the north with only exploration not being done for you.

Then you can buy.
Legendary survivor from lvl 10 up.
Party Animal
Sweet Tooth
Wisdom
Zaishen

On other sites I can find people willing to farm:
Champ points
Hero Points

sooo in theory if I had enough I could pretty much buy 21 titles. Not including Survivor and Master of the North.

so 21 out of the 40 statues needed to max(more info below). Including PvP titles. Sooo over 50% of all the titles nessesary to max that can be bought.

AS for the more info. By buying protector runs. I am guarenteed the completion statues sooo +3
And I'm sure I could fairly easily find a price for a group of people to do fow, uw, deep, urgoz for me. sooo +4.

Also, lucky and unlucky can be done by afking in a manner that could make them considered buying titles. soo +2 if you count those.

The point is that that guys post is idiotic. But I totally agree that zaishen shouldn't count.

Nerel · Oct 13, 2010, 04:22 AM // 04:22

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Originally Posted by Morphy

/signed

The Zaishen title should have been based on the total amount of Balthazar faction you've accumulated from the start, but as it is not, it should be treated as the PvE title it is.

Yes, that would show those pesky PvE'ers!

WTB Flames of Balthazar... *cough* Zaishen Elite *cough* yeah, Balthazar faction indeed.

jazilla · Oct 13, 2010, 04:56 AM // 04:56

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

No thanks ....I don't want to pay for a different pvp title...which I would do over actually playing pvp

thank you for making my point for me. this is exactly the reason the z-title shouldn't count for pvp.

Essence Snow · Oct 13, 2010, 05:27 AM // 05:27

Point is if Z title is taken out ppl like me (there are lots of us) will simply buy another PvP title. So getting rid of it won't really do anything except contribute to an influx of paying leechers in other areas of PvP. Which would you like more?

Elnino · Oct 13, 2010, 06:17 AM // 06:17

This can go two ways.

If the Zaishen title is removed as a pvp title, pvp will see a rise in activity which may solve some inactivity issues in certain formats.
However, this change will cause an increase of pve'ers in pvp. Pve'ers in a pvp team in a pvp match. I'd like to have a chance at winning thank you.

Also, Shayne has just proved that it is possible to achieve Zaishen titles without doing pvp or having to buy a single zkey. It is a pve title. Absolutely no doubt about it.

Kook~NBK~ · Oct 13, 2010, 06:38 AM // 06:38

It's not gonna happen. Switching it to a PvE title would mean taking points away from people. This is NOT good Community Relations.

Besides, the Primary way z-keys are generated is by people playing PvP (the tournament house - which was a feature of PvP - has been gone over a year now). The primary method of PvE players obtaining the title now is by buying Z-keys. Guess who they're buying them from.

/not signed

matter of time · Oct 13, 2010, 08:01 AM // 08:01

funny thing how pll think ...
it is you pesky pvps who sell Z-keys to other pll
it is you pesky pvps who are responsible for that
it is you pesky pvps who now try to push responsibility and consequences for others
Z-key is reward for PVP ... anyone any doubt for that? if not stop whining and come back to rage at othe PVPs or take care of ''joke'' PVE titles

Milennin · Oct 13, 2010, 08:23 AM // 08:23

Let's use a funny example.

PvP'er plays PvP.
He exchanges faction for Zaishen Keys.
He sells the Zaishen Keys for sweet points.

OMFG, you don't have to PvE to get Sweettooth!! Let's make it a PvP title!!

/thread

End · Oct 13, 2010, 08:26 AM // 08:26

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Originally Posted by matter of time

funny thing how pll think ...
it is you pesky pvps who sell Z-keys to other pll
it is you pesky pvps who are responsible for that
it is you pesky pvps who now try to push responsibility and consequences for others
Z-key is reward for PVP ... anyone any doubt for that? if not stop whining and come back to rage at othe PVPs or take care of ''joke'' PVE titles

You seem to forget the xunlai tourney house (yeah I got quite a few keys through multiple accounts)
And that you can get zkeys with zcoins which you can get via PvE.

Missing HB · Oct 13, 2010, 10:11 AM // 10:11

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Originally Posted by Elnino

If the Zaishen title is removed as a pvp title, pvp will see a rise in activity which may solve some inactivity issues in certain formats.
However, this change will cause an increase of pve'ers in pvp. Pve'ers in a pvp team in a pvp match. I'd like to have a chance at winning thank you.

For once i might have to disagree with all. Of course , Zaishen is clearly not a pvp title , but well , how can someone who never ever played PvP get one of any titles fast ( or even in a year tbh , checking situation in PvP ) .

The only title that people could eventually do was commander ( by not using RR or w/e i mean ) , and now , the easiest might be r6 HA( a pver won't be able to get 1200+ in gvg fast , nor be able to get r3 codex ( can any non syncer do anyway.. ) , and glad , well we mentionned problems there a lot ...

But , as you know HA players , people will see many "bad teams" in HA and there will be an influx of all r10-12 meta players that will come back , and it will result in those " bad teams " getting 1-3 fame every hours .

So well , i know it's not really fair , but then we could just compare all these points :
- getting r6 before HA gets completly dead( 2006-2007 )
- syncing champ 3
- getting commander 3 before arena was deleted
- using texmod for cartographer
- doing kurz/luxon titles on AB
.....

End · Oct 13, 2010, 10:26 AM // 10:26

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

The only title that people could eventually do was commander ( by not using RR or w/e i mean ) , and now , the easiest might be r6 HA( a pver won't be able to get 1200+ in gvg fast , nor be able to get r3 codex ( can any non syncer do anyway.. ) , and glad , well we mentionned problems there a lot ...

RA=
1: roll monk
2: Load Wiki Build
3: hit enter
4: ???
5: Profit

While Ra may suck and have issues it isn't all that hard to get glad points I mean making it to 10 consec twice a day for about 2 months and you have glad 3. Not hard and not to horribly long time each day and could easily be done in a 2-3 hours (what I consider casual game time)'

This is of course solely based on my time monking on RA with some wiki build. I had no problem getting to 10 consec so long as there weren't 2 monks and the team-mates weren't idiots. Which i know idiots can be abundant but it's do-able.